same_old_guy
05-24 02:32 PM
This subject is treated as an elaborate chapter titled "The quiet crisis" in Friedman's book "The world is flat". A very good read. Here is an extremely well written article on education crisis staring at the US. It also touches on the broken immigration system.
Feel free to discuss but kindly refrain from making extreme and judgmental statements.
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Credits: Thomas L. Friedman (NY Times). All rights reserved. Article has been reproduced in its entirety.
The quiet crisis in US education
By Thomas L. Friedman
First I had to laugh. Then I had to cry. I took part in commencement this year at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, one of America�s great science and engineering schools, so I had a front-row seat as the first grads to receive their diplomas came on stage, all of them PhD students. One by one the announcer read their names and each was handed their doctorate � in biotechnology, computing, physics and engineering � by the school�s president, Shirley Ann Jackson.
The reason I had to laugh was because it seemed like every one of the newly minted PhDs at Rensselaer was foreign born. For a moment, as the foreign names kept coming � "Hong Lu, Xu Xie, Tao Yuan, Fu Tang" � I thought that the entire class of doctoral students in physics were going to be Chinese, until "Paul Shane Morrow" saved the day. It was such a caricature of what Ms Jackson herself calls "the quiet crisis" in high-end science education in this country that you could only laugh.
Don�t get me wrong. I�m proud that our country continues to build universities and a culture of learning that attract the world�s best minds. My complaint � why I also wanted to cry � was that there wasn�t someone from the Immigration and Naturalization Service standing next to Ms Jackson stapling green cards to the diplomas of each of these foreign-born PhDs. I want them all to stay, become Americans and do their research and innovation here.
If we can�t educate enough of our own kids to compete at this level, we�d better make sure we can import someone else�s, otherwise we will not maintain our standard of living. It is pure idiocy that Congress will not open our borders � as wide as possible � to attract and keep the world�s first-round intellectual draft choices in an age when everyone increasingly has the same innovation tools and the key differentiator is human talent. I�m serious. I think any foreign student who gets a PhD in our country � in any subject � should be offered citizenship. I want them. The idea that we actually make it difficult for them to stay is crazy.
Compete America, a coalition of technology companies, is pleading with Congress to boost both the number of H-1B visas available to companies that want to bring in skilled foreign workers and the number of employment-based green cards given to high-tech foreign workers who want to stay here. Give them all they want! Not only do our companies need them now, because we�re not training enough engineers, but they will, over time, start many more companies and create many more good jobs than they would possibly displace. Silicon Valley is living proof of that � and where innovation happens, matters. It�s still where the best jobs will be located.
Folks, we can�t keep being stupid about these things. You can�t have a world where foreign-born students dominate your science graduate schools, research labs, journal publications and can now more easily than ever go back to their home countries to start companies � without it eventually impacting our standard of living � especially when we�re also slipping behind in high-speed Internet penetration per capita. America has fallen from fourth in the world in 2001 to 15th today.
My hat is off to Andrew Rasiej and Micah Sifry, co-founders of the Personal Democracy Forum. They are trying to make this an issue in the presidential campaign by creating a movement to demand that candidates focus on our digital deficits and divides. (See: www.techpresident.com.) Mr Rasiej, who unsuccessfully ran for public advocate of New York City in 2005 on a platform calling for low-cost wireless access everywhere, notes that "only half of America has broadband access to the Internet." We need to go from "No Child Left Behind," he says, to "Every Child Connected."
Here�s the sad truth: 9/11, and the failing Iraq war, have sucked up almost all the oxygen in this country � oxygen needed to discuss seriously education, healthcare, climate change and competitiveness, notes Garrett Graff, an editor at Washingtonian Magazine and author of the upcoming book The First Campaign, which deals with this theme. So right now, it�s mostly governors talking about these issues, noted Mr Graff, but there is only so much they can do without Washington being focused and leading. Which is why we�ve got to bring our occupation of Iraq to an end in the quickest, least bad way possible � otherwise we are going to lose Iraq and America. It�s coming down to that choice.
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Feel free to discuss but kindly refrain from making extreme and judgmental statements.
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Credits: Thomas L. Friedman (NY Times). All rights reserved. Article has been reproduced in its entirety.
The quiet crisis in US education
By Thomas L. Friedman
First I had to laugh. Then I had to cry. I took part in commencement this year at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, one of America�s great science and engineering schools, so I had a front-row seat as the first grads to receive their diplomas came on stage, all of them PhD students. One by one the announcer read their names and each was handed their doctorate � in biotechnology, computing, physics and engineering � by the school�s president, Shirley Ann Jackson.
The reason I had to laugh was because it seemed like every one of the newly minted PhDs at Rensselaer was foreign born. For a moment, as the foreign names kept coming � "Hong Lu, Xu Xie, Tao Yuan, Fu Tang" � I thought that the entire class of doctoral students in physics were going to be Chinese, until "Paul Shane Morrow" saved the day. It was such a caricature of what Ms Jackson herself calls "the quiet crisis" in high-end science education in this country that you could only laugh.
Don�t get me wrong. I�m proud that our country continues to build universities and a culture of learning that attract the world�s best minds. My complaint � why I also wanted to cry � was that there wasn�t someone from the Immigration and Naturalization Service standing next to Ms Jackson stapling green cards to the diplomas of each of these foreign-born PhDs. I want them all to stay, become Americans and do their research and innovation here.
If we can�t educate enough of our own kids to compete at this level, we�d better make sure we can import someone else�s, otherwise we will not maintain our standard of living. It is pure idiocy that Congress will not open our borders � as wide as possible � to attract and keep the world�s first-round intellectual draft choices in an age when everyone increasingly has the same innovation tools and the key differentiator is human talent. I�m serious. I think any foreign student who gets a PhD in our country � in any subject � should be offered citizenship. I want them. The idea that we actually make it difficult for them to stay is crazy.
Compete America, a coalition of technology companies, is pleading with Congress to boost both the number of H-1B visas available to companies that want to bring in skilled foreign workers and the number of employment-based green cards given to high-tech foreign workers who want to stay here. Give them all they want! Not only do our companies need them now, because we�re not training enough engineers, but they will, over time, start many more companies and create many more good jobs than they would possibly displace. Silicon Valley is living proof of that � and where innovation happens, matters. It�s still where the best jobs will be located.
Folks, we can�t keep being stupid about these things. You can�t have a world where foreign-born students dominate your science graduate schools, research labs, journal publications and can now more easily than ever go back to their home countries to start companies � without it eventually impacting our standard of living � especially when we�re also slipping behind in high-speed Internet penetration per capita. America has fallen from fourth in the world in 2001 to 15th today.
My hat is off to Andrew Rasiej and Micah Sifry, co-founders of the Personal Democracy Forum. They are trying to make this an issue in the presidential campaign by creating a movement to demand that candidates focus on our digital deficits and divides. (See: www.techpresident.com.) Mr Rasiej, who unsuccessfully ran for public advocate of New York City in 2005 on a platform calling for low-cost wireless access everywhere, notes that "only half of America has broadband access to the Internet." We need to go from "No Child Left Behind," he says, to "Every Child Connected."
Here�s the sad truth: 9/11, and the failing Iraq war, have sucked up almost all the oxygen in this country � oxygen needed to discuss seriously education, healthcare, climate change and competitiveness, notes Garrett Graff, an editor at Washingtonian Magazine and author of the upcoming book The First Campaign, which deals with this theme. So right now, it�s mostly governors talking about these issues, noted Mr Graff, but there is only so much they can do without Washington being focused and leading. Which is why we�ve got to bring our occupation of Iraq to an end in the quickest, least bad way possible � otherwise we are going to lose Iraq and America. It�s coming down to that choice.
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codehari
04-09 12:46 PM
I did the same cruise with just Drivers License.
As ship travels in US waters no need to have VISA Stamping...
Unlike Alaska cruise ships leave US waters and enters Internationa waters, so you need VISA.
Cheers.
As ship travels in US waters no need to have VISA Stamping...
Unlike Alaska cruise ships leave US waters and enters Internationa waters, so you need VISA.
Cheers.
nixstor
11-01 03:43 PM
My brother is a Physical Therapist. His employer filed I485/I140 concurrently last week. His I140 was not filed under premium processing as the employer said that it is a waste of money as the GC will not come in a months time ( as the retrogression took place from Nov 2006). But then would he get his EAD or not? Any thoughts please?
Yes, he will get his EAD. His 485 will not be adjudicated until his PD is current. 140 Preimum doesnt do any help for your brother. He should get his EAD in approx 90 days from the date of receipt.
Can you request your brother to sign up on IV after his work at his facility? Every member counts!
Yes, he will get his EAD. His 485 will not be adjudicated until his PD is current. 140 Preimum doesnt do any help for your brother. He should get his EAD in approx 90 days from the date of receipt.
Can you request your brother to sign up on IV after his work at his facility? Every member counts!
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zoooom
08-14 02:02 PM
Me too...I have a co worker who got her checks cashed though for the same lot.
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legaleagle
06-08 11:31 AM
Dhundhun,
Thank you for your earlier help. I have one more question. My I485 with approved I140 EB2 catagory PD June 2006 is pending and God knows for how many days. My job as Mechanical Engineer is stable and employer is willing to help me. I have a PhD in Engineering with about 30 years experience in industry and teaching. However, because of industry work I do not have many publications. I am a Fellow of IEI and a recognised PhD guide in Indian University, can get good recommendations too. Can I try for EB1 in some catagory?
Thanks again
Thank you for your earlier help. I have one more question. My I485 with approved I140 EB2 catagory PD June 2006 is pending and God knows for how many days. My job as Mechanical Engineer is stable and employer is willing to help me. I have a PhD in Engineering with about 30 years experience in industry and teaching. However, because of industry work I do not have many publications. I am a Fellow of IEI and a recognised PhD guide in Indian University, can get good recommendations too. Can I try for EB1 in some catagory?
Thanks again
chehuan
01-17 04:26 PM
hey
i wanted to know what are the chances of a persons i40 to be denied if another with the same profile in the same team and same application is recently denied
for your information both are masters candidates and are eb2 filed
but his was file months before mine and he got audited
mine is in the process of being filed
not sure of whether this even matters and cases are indepedent
but just wanted to know ahead of time if it calls for a sure denial
thanks
chehuan
i wanted to know what are the chances of a persons i40 to be denied if another with the same profile in the same team and same application is recently denied
for your information both are masters candidates and are eb2 filed
but his was file months before mine and he got audited
mine is in the process of being filed
not sure of whether this even matters and cases are indepedent
but just wanted to know ahead of time if it calls for a sure denial
thanks
chehuan
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GCBoy786
09-11 03:44 PM
As there is high probability that our cases might be in the same batch and might be processed on same day, please update in this thread if you hear anything. I will also do the same.
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babuworld
12-07 02:23 PM
I got the same message for my I-485 application. I called the customer service representative and she transfered me to Immigration Officer. The Immigration Officer is so kind. He told me that there are two different systems in USCIS , one in mainframe system and another is DB2 System. My case is on Mainframes system so it will get transfered to DB2 System as they have few problems in updating.
I too got my receipt numbers 8 weeks back, but still i am getting the same message.
Thanks,
babu work.
I too got my receipt numbers 8 weeks back, but still i am getting the same message.
Thanks,
babu work.
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smakur
07-16 05:24 PM
Some of my friends did this. A common example is if you work in company A and your spouse works in Company B. Since you typicaly go through the company's lawyers and you do not know who is going to file when, it is generally a good idea to list one spouse a dependant of the other. So you get he earliest receipt date possible.
If USCIS receives both the applications, it will return the second application as a duplicate. I don't kow if they keep the money though
However, if the same lawyer is preparing both your applications, then there is nothing to gain. So you should just file your own 485s (why risk losing the filing fee) or file one 485 (earlier PD with the spouse listed as a dependant).
If USCIS receives both the applications, it will return the second application as a duplicate. I don't kow if they keep the money though
However, if the same lawyer is preparing both your applications, then there is nothing to gain. So you should just file your own 485s (why risk losing the filing fee) or file one 485 (earlier PD with the spouse listed as a dependant).
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quizzer
11-01 02:38 PM
Admins/Moderators:
Can this be taken up with USCIS???
Thanks
Can this be taken up with USCIS???
Thanks
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GCWhru
09-18 02:08 PM
It is very surprising to see many 2004 numbers still pending. I know 2006 cases were processed in high numbers, but didn't expect these many 2004 pending cases.
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fromnaija
10-01 07:26 PM
Exactly my point. I could not read those numbers correctly and got a shocker until I received the receipts in the mail.
My cheques got encashed last week ...I have the receipt numbers from the back of the chq...have not yet received the physical receipt notices yet...
My cheques got encashed last week ...I have the receipt numbers from the back of the chq...have not yet received the physical receipt notices yet...
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bestin
03-24 09:31 AM
but does your I-140 need to be approved before you can use your EAD?
NO.U can start using it.But if 140 is denied you cannot renew it.
More importantly (as in my case), can I use my AP to travel if both my I-140 and I-485 are still pending?
Thanks..
Yes you can travel on AP.
NO.U can start using it.But if 140 is denied you cannot renew it.
More importantly (as in my case), can I use my AP to travel if both my I-140 and I-485 are still pending?
Thanks..
Yes you can travel on AP.
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brb2
08-23 06:06 AM
Master's and higher, outside US has to be in the STEM fields to qualify.
Dixie and Other experts,
See copy-paste from the bill below:
It seems that Aliens who have earned Masters degree outside US 'AND' has
3 years experience in related field are listed along with those who have
masters or higher degree from US.
check sections (F), (I) and (K) below.
Does it mean non-US masters with 3 years exp too shall be excluded from
the numbers quota?��(I) Aliens who have earned a master�s degree or higher in science, technology, engineering, or math and have been working in a related
field in the United States in a nonimmigrant status during the 3-year
period preceding their application for an immigrant visa under section
203(b).
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Dixie and Other experts,
See copy-paste from the bill below:
It seems that Aliens who have earned Masters degree outside US 'AND' has
3 years experience in related field are listed along with those who have
masters or higher degree from US.
check sections (F), (I) and (K) below.
Does it mean non-US masters with 3 years exp too shall be excluded from
the numbers quota?��(I) Aliens who have earned a master�s degree or higher in science, technology, engineering, or math and have been working in a related
field in the United States in a nonimmigrant status during the 3-year
period preceding their application for an immigrant visa under section
203(b).
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kanta80
04-03 11:20 AM
Yes, you may apply for multiple visas. However, the rule of latest application of the attached I-94 applies. If you get your H4 first, and then your H1, it would mean your H1 would be valid.
If you get your H1 first, and then your H4, the I-94 attached to the H1 will no longer be valid, requiring you to get the H1 visa stamped in your home country consulate and re-enter.
You could simply wait out until you get your H4(at the risk of running out of the H1 cap). If you're willing to risk traveling and reenterng the US after stamping in your homecountry, you should be OK.
There are some attorneys however, who charge a hefty fee for you to get your H1 stamped at a Canadian US consulate if you fear rejection in your home country.
Regards
Now my situaion is: I have the receipt for H4 status change from F1, my employer has applied for my H1B in premium processing today (Apr 3), so that means I would be getting the H1B approval hopefully by the third week of April but in my understanding the I-94 for H1B will be valid from October 1 only while my H4 I-94 will be valid right after I get the approval (probably sometime in May).
In this case, do I still have to go back in my country to validate my H1B I-94 given that H1B is valid from Oct 1?
Please suggest me. I am getting really tensed.
Thank you.
If you get your H1 first, and then your H4, the I-94 attached to the H1 will no longer be valid, requiring you to get the H1 visa stamped in your home country consulate and re-enter.
You could simply wait out until you get your H4(at the risk of running out of the H1 cap). If you're willing to risk traveling and reenterng the US after stamping in your homecountry, you should be OK.
There are some attorneys however, who charge a hefty fee for you to get your H1 stamped at a Canadian US consulate if you fear rejection in your home country.
Regards
Now my situaion is: I have the receipt for H4 status change from F1, my employer has applied for my H1B in premium processing today (Apr 3), so that means I would be getting the H1B approval hopefully by the third week of April but in my understanding the I-94 for H1B will be valid from October 1 only while my H4 I-94 will be valid right after I get the approval (probably sometime in May).
In this case, do I still have to go back in my country to validate my H1B I-94 given that H1B is valid from Oct 1?
Please suggest me. I am getting really tensed.
Thank you.
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jamesingham
02-25 08:31 AM
As far as I know, Your new EB2 labor is completely independent of your approved EB3 petition. While your EB2 is in process or even if it is denied you can still fall back on your EB3 to get your 3 year H1 renewals and avail other benefits of approved petition. This is what the attorney told my employer.
Coming to the question of whether you can use your on the job experience towards EB2, the answer doesn't seem to be consistent. My company's attorney tells us that is possible and there is a 90 % chance of approvals and 10% chance of denials.
At the same time, I have seen different views from members of this forum.
Coming to the question of whether you can use your on the job experience towards EB2, the answer doesn't seem to be consistent. My company's attorney tells us that is possible and there is a 90 % chance of approvals and 10% chance of denials.
At the same time, I have seen different views from members of this forum.
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DesiGuy
09-11 07:26 AM
....the other F - the way they have been treating us ;)
so the letter should end with:
"PS: and pls dont F?%@ us up "
...just kidding, good thinking & good idea
so the letter should end with:
"PS: and pls dont F?%@ us up "
...just kidding, good thinking & good idea
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meridiani.planum
07-10 09:22 PM
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Hi,
My friend has this scenario and want expert advise from IV members.
- On L1 for 3 1/2 years and H1 for 2 years 3 months. About to complete 6
years in 3 months.
- Filed Labor (approved. PD Aug 2004 EB3), I140 (applied in May 2007) and
I485 (July fiasco)
- I140 still pending
Question:
1. Does L1 period is counted for H1 extention?
-- yes, time in both L1 and H1 counts together towards those 6 years. Its the time in L2/H4 that was decoupled a year or so ago.
2. Can he do H1 transfer using AC21 without I140 approval?
As 6 years are going to be expired?
yes, he will get a one year extension since his LC is atleast one yaer old.
3. What if the old employer revokes his I140 now? His GC process is invalid?
yes, the GC process ends right there. If he has transferred his H1 in the meantime and got an extension, the USCIS position so far has been that the extension remains valid, even though the underlying LC/I-140 are gone. The law itself is somewhat unclear, but till now the USCIS has not come back and revoked anyone's H1 extension (that I know of) because the underlying I\-140/LC are gone.
4. If we leave about GC, Can he do H1 transfer atleast?
yes he can, but he will need to start another labor ASAP from new employer to get any extension past this one year. He will also lose his old PD and will have a 2008/2009 PD.
He will also need a copy of his labor certificate to be able to file a transfer+extension.
At this stage the only thing between him and AC-21 freedom is that I-140 getting approved. So unless you know the I-140 is going to be denied, I would advise him to try his best to stay on with this employer until the I-140 is approved
Hi,
My friend has this scenario and want expert advise from IV members.
- On L1 for 3 1/2 years and H1 for 2 years 3 months. About to complete 6
years in 3 months.
- Filed Labor (approved. PD Aug 2004 EB3), I140 (applied in May 2007) and
I485 (July fiasco)
- I140 still pending
Question:
1. Does L1 period is counted for H1 extention?
-- yes, time in both L1 and H1 counts together towards those 6 years. Its the time in L2/H4 that was decoupled a year or so ago.
2. Can he do H1 transfer using AC21 without I140 approval?
As 6 years are going to be expired?
yes, he will get a one year extension since his LC is atleast one yaer old.
3. What if the old employer revokes his I140 now? His GC process is invalid?
yes, the GC process ends right there. If he has transferred his H1 in the meantime and got an extension, the USCIS position so far has been that the extension remains valid, even though the underlying LC/I-140 are gone. The law itself is somewhat unclear, but till now the USCIS has not come back and revoked anyone's H1 extension (that I know of) because the underlying I\-140/LC are gone.
4. If we leave about GC, Can he do H1 transfer atleast?
yes he can, but he will need to start another labor ASAP from new employer to get any extension past this one year. He will also lose his old PD and will have a 2008/2009 PD.
He will also need a copy of his labor certificate to be able to file a transfer+extension.
At this stage the only thing between him and AC-21 freedom is that I-140 getting approved. So unless you know the I-140 is going to be denied, I would advise him to try his best to stay on with this employer until the I-140 is approved
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GCVivek
05-13 08:26 PM
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sathishkrish
08-13 10:33 PM
Does filing of dependent's I-485 anything to do with LUD on approved I-140/I-131 of Primary applicant? Anybody having similar experience?
Thanks
I got an LUD too for 8/12 but not on my underlying 140 petition but on a differant I140 petition. I have two I140's - I applied 485 thru my current employer on 8/3 at TSC.
Thanks
I got an LUD too for 8/12 but not on my underlying 140 petition but on a differant I140 petition. I have two I140's - I applied 485 thru my current employer on 8/3 at TSC.
cris
01-09 07:33 AM
I wish both of them good luck to get visa stamp. it will be tough taking into consideration there is indian invasion in US. there are a lot of indians here in US on legal status,but a considerable precentage of indians coming here on visitor visa and stay illegally after I94 expired and trying to convert "visitor" visa to something else.
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